Struthers Memorial Church and the humiliation sermon | |||
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We have committed to look at the publicly available material issued by Struthers Memorial Church and to highlight any questions this material raises about their practices and beliefs. Since the beginning of 2011 there have been 3 sermons placed online which we have noticed in particular as they contain deeply strange teachings; and also provide answers to some of the questions we have previously raised on this site.
The first of these sermons is one preached at the Glasgow Sunday night service on Saturday 12 February 2011. The speaker is also the head teacher of the fee paying church school – a fact which makes some of the content of this sermon even more inappropriate and bizarre.
In the notes accompanying the placing of this online the sermon is titled "Humiliation".
The quotes from the publicly available recording are shown in blue with the time into the recording they occur. If we have transcribed any quotes incorrectly please let us know and we will change them: | |||
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Definition of Humiliation | |||
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In seeking to define humility the speaker decides to tell us first what it is not. | |||
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"(Humility) is also not humiliation and that's what we fear. We see situations where people are humiliated and there is something in humiliation that does not agree with any heart. And to be humiliated is to be subjected to the overpowering or the overbearing nature of one group of people on another. So that for example humiliation is what comes when one group of people decide they have a power and an authority over another group. And you can come up with your own examples as well as I can.......but there is something in a group of people that make them feel that they are superior to another group of people and that they can treat them in a way that is exceedingly embarrassing, downtrodden and so on, and so on, simply because of some characteristic which they perceive to be superior to someone else. And you will find that every human being seeks to find another category of people to whom they are superior that they can look down on......and its a horrible characteristic" | ||
Well indeed. And we do often notice that the Struthers leadership are very poor at spotting irony in their own proclamations. But could one example of the above that we might come up with be when a group of people feel they are spiritually superior to another group? They might use that to make people feel embarrassed and downtrodden. They may humiliate them by using the church platform to announce their failings publicly to their fellow church members. The "less spiritual" may be harangued and slagged off for ideas they have (see the Abomination sermon) and banned from talking to their friends in the church for fear that they might spiritually contaminate them (see the testimony of CovLass). They may have their sincere and fruitful years of Christian service disrespected and discounted by a public announcement that now that they disagree with the leadership "they were never one of those really at the heart of things in the church".
But perhaps although it is wrong to treat people differently because of race, class or gender, it is okay to treat someone with mocking and disrespect if you have decided they are less holy or spiritual than you.
A growing number of people are now making public that they feel that during their time in SMC they have been (to quote this sermon): "subjected to the overpowering or the overbearing nature of one group of people on another."
We do agree on one thing - | |||
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(the speaker suggests in the western world things are better and people are not humiliated so much now) we are much more careful in how we treat people if we perceive that...or they are more able to complain if they perceive that they are treated badly in this. | ||
This raises a small important point. We agree a huge advance for humanity in the western world has taken place now that there are routes to complain if you are treated unfairly because of race, gender or class.
Now that we are agreed on that -
Or perhaps (to refer to the quote from the sermon) has the western world succeeded where SMC has failed. The world had to change and recognise its own historical and institutional failures to make this change. Is this a road that society can take but the SMC leadership do not have the courage to face? A point made later in this sermon is that God never changes. No argument there. Bad churches however do need to change. Churches that are hurting people need to change. Churches that exist to perpetuate the power and authority of one group over another group need to change. That change starts with repentance by the leadership.
Or is this unnecessary because in this one case in all the earth -
Struthers Leadership -
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We have to plead with God to take away from us the pride and arrogance that abides in the human heart that assumes we are better than other people and, even worse, that we have some way in which we are divine. And we are not divine.......there is this thing within the human heart that wants to dominate, that wants to have their own way, that wants to rule. And it is this quality that needs to be broken when we want to embrace humility | ||
People who claim divine authority placing them beyond accountability; assume they
are better than others; who desire to dominate and to have their own way and want
to rule -
We do agree anyone who feels like this, or uses this as a leadership approach in their church, is probably a long way from successfully embracing humility.
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Treatment of a visitor | |||
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The sermon then moves in an odd direction attacking those with a sense of humour. There is no Biblical case made for this and no link to anything in Christian literature or history. The speaker just seems to want to vent her spleen about something that annoyed her during her week.
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We must make a decision ......to take life seriously. Our purpose here on this earth is incredibly serious. .........It is not without humour as long as you laugh at yourself, your own silliness and the mistakes that you make and you are not taking yourself too seriously. But life itself you have to take terribly seriously. And the whole question of humour is one that we need to really be careful about. I was in the company of someone over recent days who was not a Christian person at all, and I was in their company. It was at our school and everybody that teaches there – they're all Christians. And you know – I cannot tell you what it was like to have them there. Very eminent person. But they just made jokes and jibes and funny remarks all day long. I was wearied to death with it. I just found it utterly and completely boring and meaningless. And he said to my staff he said "and of course you'll not all be able to lift your eyes from the ground to look into the eminence of Mrs Speirs." and they were all like – huh? They weren't very sure what to say. They could have agreed but they didn't but eh it was just that come on you know? They called us the family Von Speirs. <the speaker groans loudly on the recording> And you know at first we all kind of laughed agreeingly – well you like to be nice don't you? But by the end of it we were all just – och – hurry up and go away. And see in the church of Christ that is so unacceptable. And I counsel you especially if you are younger, I counsel you against that way of being. That everything is a joke and a jibe and its all making funny wee remarks at people. People fear you when you're like that. And it is not an acceptable way to behave in the church of Christ. | ||
We find as we listen to this we keep thinking of Matthew 23. Jesus is speaking:
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23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. 25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the
outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self- 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. | |||
We trust that the young people in the meeting felt suitably warned about the dangers of humour. But we agree with Jesus that the law has more important matters. We trust that, like us, these young people are also now clear that it is okay for Struthers leaders and the school head teacher to be thoroughly and completely horrible on the public platform of a Christian church about a perfectly legitimate visitor who was unlucky enough to have his job send him for a few days to the Cedars School of Excellence.
Has the speaker been so cloistered and shielded from common decency in SMC for so long that she has no empathy at all for a fellow human being?
Speaker we ask you -
Do you further not realise that this horrible derision of a visitor is going online? It is put there (presumably) so the public can benefit from knowing what is said on the platform of SMC each Saturday night.
Do you not know that? Is this an acceptable use of the Struthers church pulpit? What can you possibly be teaching people about God by doing this?
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Please could we ask that all speakers in Struthers Memorial Church commit to ending
this habit of using the church platform to berate and mock and, on occasions, publicly
humiliate people you don’t like - We ask that you agree as a leadership to stop this now and stop it forever. | |||
To repeat the sermon quote: | |||
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And see in the church of Christ that is so unacceptable. And I counsel you especially if you are younger, I counsel you against that way of being. ...... People fear you when you're like that. And it is not an acceptable way to behave in the church of Christ. | ||
We feel this manipulative warning and condemnation is very much more relevant to what the speaker has said here in public rather than to young people making a wee joke together.
Speaker -
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Can we say to this man who visited the school if you have heard the recording – please try to not feel bad at the treatment they have dealt out to you. Many of us have had the same thing and it is not just you they publicly use the platform of a Christian church to mock. When we were part of their church the leaders made it clear to us we "wearied them to death". They made it clear to us they "found us completely boring and meaningless". In the end we felt they could not wait for us to "hurry up and go away". We know exactly how you feel. | |||
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The Fatwah |
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As the anti- | |||
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and its something that I remember many years ago Miss Black had a total Fatwah against.
She hated it. And at that time we had a lot of young men who were very into ha ha
and laughing and joking making jokes about people, making jokes about the leaders
of the church and desperate to find something to laugh at. And she really would not
have it. And we are now the happy recipients of the fact that she wouldn't have it
because I seldom, seldom hear it.....but I worry that it could grow up again amongst
our younger group – that that's how we relate to one another its all having a laugh
at him, having a go at him. And I noticed that that man that I was speaking about
earlier he was constantly on about his contemporaries – making a joke about them......and
bringing up name- .....and some of you young people need to take that on board | ||
Now we didn't choose this word – we merely quote it – but for those who don’t know
– a fatwah is a decree made by an Islamic religious leader – a Mufti in fact – which
offers a non-
Thank God for the answers He gives us. You see we thought for a long time it was
something we had done wrong. We felt guilty in some cases for years not knowing what
it was we did to let God down and why we had no place in Struthers Memorial Church.
But now we are told it wasn't us. It was the fact that, according to this speaker,
Mary Black just didn't want men like us in the church. And in the same way as those
in the church are "now the happy recipients of the fact that she wouldn't have it",
we are now the "happy recipients" of a public admission of the fact that she decided
to drive a generation of young men out of the church because one aspect of their
character was not sufficiently like she wanted it to be. If we were inclined to humour
we might point out that if you don’t want young men who liked a laugh and a joke
in your church -
No other church in the whole wide world does this. In churches SMC would see as “lesser”
– as far as we know that is all other churches -
Or you can decide as a leadership "these men who like jokes aren't the kind of people we want" and conspire to chuck them out.
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We will spread this information that there was a "Fatwah" as far and wide as we can
among our contacts to let as many former members of SMC as we can find know that
the reason they are not in SMC any more is because people (especially men) like them
were not wanted. And war was declared on this aspect of their character by leaders
who still declare their belief that their own actions cannot ever have been wrong
and whose motives cannot be questioned. Many of these people will derive great comfort
from knowing about this. | |||
We also notice that SMC speakers quite often give a list of their problems – in this
case with humour -
We entirely believe that the Struthers leadership have never liked anyone being in the church who did not treat them with the deference and reverence in which they held themselves. That is not the same thing as people being flippant or inappropriately funny in a way that offended God. No doubt that can happen – but it didn't happen here. Not at all. To seek to drive people out of the church because the leaders don't like the way they are is an appalling abuse of position. These unwanted men attended lots of meetings, prayed in lots of meetings, evangelised for the church and went to all the conferences and camps and handed over lots and lots of money for years. They liked to laugh together and took their Christianity very seriously. Yet were still not "right" in character as the SMC leaders chose to define it then – although we realise what is considered "right" in Struthers changes from time to time.
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The constant desire for change | |||
Having lost the way in this sermon from defining humility as a leadership attribute to slagging off the character and pride of people she doesn’t like in the outside world, the speaker now turns her “critical spirit” onto the children in her school and adults in the church foolish enough to think they have worthwhile ideas:
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Another characteristic of people who are proud ...is this constant desire for change. ... You will find it again and again. I find it all the time with my school council in the school. They want to change something. I'm like: "right what would you like to change?" Hmmm- "Things need to be different" "What would you like to be different?" "I'm not awfully sure" But it can come like a driving thing – things have got to be different. | ||
Well Okay. It is pretty common for head teacher to take a limited view of what a
school council does but the wise ones keep that to themselves. But here, once again,
the Christian pulpit is the place chosen to make a bizarre public declaration – that
then goes online. The speaker not only shares that she thinks the school council
is a pointless gimmick. (Who, we wonder, set it up and portrays it as a positive
benefit in the school handbook?). And then she seems to mock the school council and
attributes their incoherent requests for changes as being – astonishingly -
Is that a reasonable conclusion from what she is teaching here?
She seems to be saying that her school council are incapable of expressing anything other than idiotic requests for unspecified change (which she playacts out for us) and only want to change the school because they are full of pride? Seriously?
But then it would be more surprising if a junior committee in any part of Struthers had any real chance of changing anything. Better get used to this kids.
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In the Bible it says, "God is the God who never changes." Never changes. There is no shadow cast by turning. ... and this desire for change is often not a desire for change it a desire to have things done my way. To change so that things will be done the way it suits us for them to be done. Whoever us happens to be. And it is one of the things of humility that we just accept things as they are. | ||
Are we hearing the speaker correctly? Is she saying that because the Bible says “God never changes” Struthers Memorial Church will never change in any way or in any part? Her next pronouncement denies that. It is the idea of anyone but the leadership believing they could be hearing from God that is abhorrent and proud:
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And it is one of the things of humility that we just accept things as they are. | ||
We are not sure we have words for what has been said here – but let’s give it a go:
This teaching is utterly and completely false. It is not one of the things of humility that we accept things as they are.
To “accept things as they are” you must ignore the voices of the people being hurt. You must ignore things that happen and which are said that seem to contradict clear Bible teaching. You must call your God given, and entirely proper, desire to be involved in the work of God “pride” and accept condemnation for it. You must accept it when the few leaders with access to the churches money call questions about the use of finances invalid as they only indicate pride and arrogance in those concerned enough to ask. If the church is in debt that must not concern you. You must accept the church platform is a place from where you and your fellow Christians can be humiliated and criticised whenever the leaders feel like it. Some will be spoken ill of when they are still there, and some when they are gone. Don't ask why so many people leave feeling so hurt. Don’t seek a Biblical basis for what is done. Don’t seek to know why this church is not growing (in the healthy and Biblically expected way) like so many other Scottish churches are. Don't seek to understand why the vision for revival has been replaced by the vision for private education. Just accept things as they are.
The teaching here could not be more clear. If you think any of these things are wrong you are guilty of pride and speaking up will only confirm that. You are caught!
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What would happen if we changed at your volition ? | |||
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It doesn't mean that things never change, that’s not the issue. But it’s why they
change? At whose volition do they change? Is it at the volition, as it is in so many
churches, that a group of young people come in and things are going to be different
and in a bizarre attempt to keep them people will change everything that they do.
Is it at your volition? If it is we might as well put up a for- | ||
As we have looked at SMC material we have looked for some of the answers to the questions that exist. There is a very clear answer here.
The speaker indicates here that the ideas of young people if implemented will bring the church to its knees – in the bad way – and end its existence. She evidences this by pointing out that in “so many” other churches where they take the “bizarre” step of changing things they do to keep young people from leaving the church they can only possibly fail.
That seems a bit self-
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Having told the young people their ideas are not wanted, the speaker then moves on to those who have been around for years and years and years. Lo and behold – their ideas are just as dangerous and terminal to the good of the church. Only the leaders know what is good. We suspect this may have come as a bit of a blow to many who have sat there loyally and obediently for 30 years or longer hoping that one day their input would matter to someone. You heard it in this sermon – hang on in for another 10 or 20 years and your views still won't matter.
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Accept things as they are We do not want your ideas Your ideas would destroy the church
Accept things as they are We do not want your ideas Your ideas would destroy the church
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